Bloody Relationships...
Since I haven't figured out how to quote yet either, I figured a little copy/paste action would work for now.
Crystal wrote:
Bloody relationships: What the hell is the Asymetrical Ends and Means, and what is the Property Dispositoin, and what is Emenint Relationship (how are those different from others that were listed). I'm gonna make this a seperate post because I think I need to go through and contrast them.
You wanna' talk relationships? You came to the right place!
Asymmetrical Ends and Means is like this:
(Now this is a bit confusing because there are two points of view or perspectives involved in this one - but once you understand that.... you've got it)
The question about the relationship between the two lies in the question of "why".
Why do we use the means that we do?
Why do we reach the ends that we do?
If we begin with a goal in mind, say for instance (and I am being outrageous and creative here so this sticks in your brain - that's just the way I study so don't shun me forever because you think I'm weird after this)
If, for instance, I start with the goal (my ENDS) being that I wish to get an STD, say ghonnereah. With my ENDS in mind first, I determine that the MEANS (or "what I need to do") to reach these ends is to whore around with as many people as I can in order to reach my ENDS and get ghonnereah. This is a situation where the ENDS determine the MEANS.
However, let's say I'm just a slut and I like whoring around with as many people as I can (this behavior is my MEANS or "what I do".) Because I do this, or employ these MEANS, I get ghonnereah. The ghonnereah is still my ENDS, but I wasn't planning getting it. Therefore in this case, my MEANS determined my ENDS.
Both situations are possible and in this case it is easy to determine which lead to the other. But that's only because I can tell you. The bird building the nest in turn preserving the survival of the species that Nigem used in class - that's harder because the bird can't tell us if she's building the nest because she wants to protect her young and help ensure the survival of her species (which would be ENDS leading to MEANS) or if she builds the nest from instinct and it just ends up being something that helps to preserve the species (MEANS leading to ENDS).
Now, I'm going to get a shot of pennicillin for my ghonerreah and move on to Property Disposition.
Did you understand the Disposition Response Relationship? I'm guessing you did since it was not on your list.
Therefore you already understand what a disposition is (what something can be and is a pretty stable thing like a liberal or a conservative, being able to play an instrument, having an extremely high sex drive - just think of the disposition as sexual positions and you won't forget that Dispositions, while they are traits, are not fixed and are able to be altered, just as sexual positions can be, like a top can sometimes become a bottom (not often but it can happen).
Now, properties on the other hand, CANNOT be changed. Whether you are a top or a bottom doesn't matter if you bring the wrong equipment to the game being held under the sheets. So things like sex (and age, race, eye color, - basically things that just "are") are properties.
Now this is where it gets interesting. When we look at the Property Disposition Relationship we know that the PROPERTY is ALWAYS the INDEPENDENT variable because you just can't change it no matter how hard you try. So, to follow our example we will use SEX (our PROPERTY) as our Indpependent variable. Inquiring minds want to know how sex affects sexual behavior. Get it? Property Disposition Relationship.
(Yes, I use sex in alot of my examples, but I figure "Hey, if it can sell beer why can't it sell sociology?")
Immanent Relationships are actually quite simple. It's like where there's smoke there's fire. Meaning, if you build a fire you're going to get smoke - it's just a matter of time (hence the fact that it is immanent). We discussed in class how red tape arises out of beaurocracy and how oligarchy arises out of democratic organization. As in the fire example, smoke aRISES from fire. It's kind of (by a stretch of imagination) in there already, and just waiting for the right moment to JUMP OUT AND GET YOU! One does not necessarily cause the other, it's more like spawning. Red tape is the devil child of beaurocracy and oligargy is democracy's Rosemary's Baby.
Did any of this help or did I make things worse. It makes sense in my head, but then again, I've been know to create what my friends call "Hope Logic" that makes sense to me easily, but takes an awful lot of explaining to get anyone else to make sense of it at all.
Crystal wrote:
Bloody relationships: What the hell is the Asymetrical Ends and Means, and what is the Property Dispositoin, and what is Emenint Relationship (how are those different from others that were listed). I'm gonna make this a seperate post because I think I need to go through and contrast them.
You wanna' talk relationships? You came to the right place!
Asymmetrical Ends and Means is like this:
(Now this is a bit confusing because there are two points of view or perspectives involved in this one - but once you understand that.... you've got it)
The question about the relationship between the two lies in the question of "why".
Why do we use the means that we do?
Why do we reach the ends that we do?
If we begin with a goal in mind, say for instance (and I am being outrageous and creative here so this sticks in your brain - that's just the way I study so don't shun me forever because you think I'm weird after this)
If, for instance, I start with the goal (my ENDS) being that I wish to get an STD, say ghonnereah. With my ENDS in mind first, I determine that the MEANS (or "what I need to do") to reach these ends is to whore around with as many people as I can in order to reach my ENDS and get ghonnereah. This is a situation where the ENDS determine the MEANS.
However, let's say I'm just a slut and I like whoring around with as many people as I can (this behavior is my MEANS or "what I do".) Because I do this, or employ these MEANS, I get ghonnereah. The ghonnereah is still my ENDS, but I wasn't planning getting it. Therefore in this case, my MEANS determined my ENDS.
Both situations are possible and in this case it is easy to determine which lead to the other. But that's only because I can tell you. The bird building the nest in turn preserving the survival of the species that Nigem used in class - that's harder because the bird can't tell us if she's building the nest because she wants to protect her young and help ensure the survival of her species (which would be ENDS leading to MEANS) or if she builds the nest from instinct and it just ends up being something that helps to preserve the species (MEANS leading to ENDS).
Now, I'm going to get a shot of pennicillin for my ghonerreah and move on to Property Disposition.
Did you understand the Disposition Response Relationship? I'm guessing you did since it was not on your list.
Therefore you already understand what a disposition is (what something can be and is a pretty stable thing like a liberal or a conservative, being able to play an instrument, having an extremely high sex drive - just think of the disposition as sexual positions and you won't forget that Dispositions, while they are traits, are not fixed and are able to be altered, just as sexual positions can be, like a top can sometimes become a bottom (not often but it can happen).
Now, properties on the other hand, CANNOT be changed. Whether you are a top or a bottom doesn't matter if you bring the wrong equipment to the game being held under the sheets. So things like sex (and age, race, eye color, - basically things that just "are") are properties.
Now this is where it gets interesting. When we look at the Property Disposition Relationship we know that the PROPERTY is ALWAYS the INDEPENDENT variable because you just can't change it no matter how hard you try. So, to follow our example we will use SEX (our PROPERTY) as our Indpependent variable. Inquiring minds want to know how sex affects sexual behavior. Get it? Property Disposition Relationship.
(Yes, I use sex in alot of my examples, but I figure "Hey, if it can sell beer why can't it sell sociology?")
Immanent Relationships are actually quite simple. It's like where there's smoke there's fire. Meaning, if you build a fire you're going to get smoke - it's just a matter of time (hence the fact that it is immanent). We discussed in class how red tape arises out of beaurocracy and how oligarchy arises out of democratic organization. As in the fire example, smoke aRISES from fire. It's kind of (by a stretch of imagination) in there already, and just waiting for the right moment to JUMP OUT AND GET YOU! One does not necessarily cause the other, it's more like spawning. Red tape is the devil child of beaurocracy and oligargy is democracy's Rosemary's Baby.
Did any of this help or did I make things worse. It makes sense in my head, but then again, I've been know to create what my friends call "Hope Logic" that makes sense to me easily, but takes an awful lot of explaining to get anyone else to make sense of it at all.
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